Wednesday, December 3, 2014
Reformation Question 3
At 2:30 in the video shown in class, they mention that Zwingli believed that Eucharist/communion is completely symbolic and is not literally Jesus' body and blood. My family growing up went to a Baptist church, and I assumed most modern protestants assume that communion is a strictly symbolic exercise. Is that true? If so, when did these beliefs about the Eucharist change?
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People today don't believe that transubstantiation is true but they do believe the presence of Christ is there. Communion is still very important it just has a different significance. This started when people started to read the bible and found out the truth. They figured out what the bible was really trying to say.
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http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1340
Some people believe in the process of transubstantiation and it changed when people read the bible
DeletePeople today STILL believe that transubstantiation is true and some don't because since people started reading the bible they know what is true.
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Yes, it is true. It changes because the protostents attacked the Eucharist.
ReplyDeleteThe Mass contains a series of rituals leading up to the Lord's Supper which also contains a reenactment of the sacrifice of Christ. Furthermore, transubstantiation states that the substance of the elements are miraculously changed even though their appearance is not. In other words, the bread and wine will appear as bread and wine under close scientific examination, but the true substance is mystically the Body and Blood of Christ. Synonymous with transubstantiation is the doctrine of the Real Presence. Where transubstantiation is the process of the change, the real presence is the result of that change. In other words, the doctrine of the real presence states that the bread and wine contain the actual presence of Christ in bodily form as a result of the process of transubstantiation. Roman Catholicism states that the incarnation of Christ itself, where Jesus was a man but contained an invisible divine nature, is analogous to the the doctrine of the real presence.
ReplyDeleteSome of the verses used to substantiate this teaching are the following:
Matt. 26:28, "for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins."
John 6:52-53, "The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying, How can this man give us His flesh to eat? 53 Jesus therefore said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.'"
1 Cor. 11:27, " Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord."
It should be obvious to anyone who believes the word of God that the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is not biblical. For the reasons listed above, we urge that Roman Catholics recognize that Jesus Christ died once for all, and that there is no need to participate in a ritual where His re-sacrifice is practiced.
Finally, because the sacrifice of Christ was once for all, it is sufficient to save us; and we do not need to maintain our salvation by our efforts or by our participation in the Lord's supper. It is not a means of grace that secures our salvation or infuses into us the grace needed that then enables us to maintain our salvation by our works. Instead, we are made right before God by faith.
"being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;" (Rom. 3:24).
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." (Rom. 3:28).
"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness," (Rom. 4:3).
"For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith." (Rom. 4:13).
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).
"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved;" (Rom. 10:9).
http://carm.org/transubstantiation
The Catholic church now don't believe that in transubstantiation you actually eat the flesh and blood of christ. They do believe that its just symbolic and that christ is present during the ceremony.They changed when the cacholic church based on Scripture
ReplyDeleteIt is unknown because people believe in many types. First of all 30% of people believe Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Second, is that 29% of people believe Bread and Wine that means spirit and teachings of Jesus. Third 10% of people believe in Bread and Wine that means that Jesus is present.
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Julie K.
Base on what I read some people like about 21% still believe in transubstantiation in which u actually eat the body of Christ and drink his actual blood.
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http://www.jesus.org/following-jesus/communion/how-do-protestants-and-catholics-differ-on-communion.html
Now people don't believe that bread and wine are Jesus' body and blood, So do Catholic church. And when Luther posted the 95 Temes, people started questioning the Roman Church, include ''bread and wine are Jesus' body''.
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Well, the majority of people say they are literally eating the body and blood of Christ, not symbolyzing it. So, the answer to this question (according to the answers of a survey I read) no, it's not symbolic to the majority of people.
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Well, first of all the fact of transubstantiation was always wrong. Now we know that the bread and wine are only symbols that Jesus gave us, even though some Catholic Churches still believe in transubstantiation. This thought about transubstantiation changed during the Renaissance when the Protestant went against the Eucharist. In my thought the Popes sort of over exaggerated the fact of the bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ. Thank You. :)
ReplyDeleteI've looked at a bunch of sites and what I seen/read is that protestants believe in the symbolic communion, not transubstantiation. That whole communion problem was solved a long time ago when Luther wrote is 95 theses, and all the reformers in that time period.
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http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/holycom/holycomm.htm
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Blood/Eucharistmain.htm
http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/08/can-catholic-receive-communion-protestant-church
http://www.prayerfoundation.org/protestant_beliefs.htm
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Some people nowadays believe in transubstiation, and Some of them not. Some of them has chance their was of thinking because they has read the bible, and they know the true according to it.
ReplyDeleteTransubstantination real or fake?
ReplyDeleteSome church fathers believe in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist; others consider the elements as signs of the body and blood of Christ, and that His presence is spiritual. This controversy was present in the Catholic church at least up to the eleventh century. The idea of transubstantination may have changed for in the bible it is told that the bread and wine is just a representation and since people at first couldn't read they believed whatever the church said but when they learned how to the read it they knew what the bible really had to say.
Site: http://www.justforcatholics.org/a181.htm
From what I read, most people believe that communion is a symbolic thing and only a small percentage actually believe in transubstantiation
ReplyDeleteWell, The communion is a symbolic thing. 30% of the people believe in the body and blood of Christ. 29% of the people believe in the bread and wine. 10% of the people believe that Christ is present.This changed when the protestants attacked the Eucharists.
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